Winter Gas Mileage

[///BHRpowered]

So I'm wondering how much everyones gas mileage drops by for the winter months when more ethanel is added to gas. Gas has gone down by about 8%, yet now I have a 13% drop in fuel economy, damn hippies.

[mts]

I lost about 15% over summer mileage yesterday on the trip back from Montreal... damn ethanol. I got 550kms versus my normal 650

[///BHRpowered]

Have you heard that the hippies wish to increase the ethanel mix by up to 40-50% which is why I bring up this thread.

 

Its gunking up engines, lowering performance and engine efficenty, I don't give a fuck that it will let an industrial farmer grow half a crop more. Its bad for everyone.

 

Some guy on JU used a 30% blend in his boat, put stablizer in, apparently it runined it so bad the whole system had to be power flushed and the injectors replaced.

 

on a side note, I have decided to stop using seafoam in favor of a product called "redline"

[enginph]

Xedos9 trip computer calculates the consumption for the last 100km, wish we had it in NA..

[ing-schu@online.no]

Buy yourselves a Saab, it takes advantage of the higher octane rating and boosts power

 

My winter milage decreases about 5 to 10 % on regular day to day driving, around 25 mpg.

[ing-schu@online.no]

Double post.

[mts]

Have you heard that the hippies wish to increase the ethanel mix by up to 40-50% which is why I bring up this thread.

 

Its gunking up engines, lowering performance and engine efficenty, I don't give a fuck that it will let an industrial farmer grow half a crop more. Its bad for everyone.

 

Some guy on JU used a 30% blend in his boat, put stablizer in, apparently it runined it so bad the whole system had to be power flushed and the injectors replaced.

 

on a side note, I have decided to stop using seafoam in favor of a product called "redline"

 

 

 

40-50%? Are you insane, the world is switching to E85 (85%), that is what all the new cars are being set up to handle.... They have to make these changes in baby steps for the US market though, as you all believe it is your right to pollute along with the right to shoot people.

 

 

[///BHRpowered]

85% is crazy, but will work when the cars are designed for it, in the long run they'll gunk up more, but still, in standard cars its a horrible idea.

 

I was watching something on the history channel on there new progrmas with the ultra hippy new ceo who believes the killin of lincoln was a yankee conspricy, that global warming will release the hydrogen from the oceans and cause the world to explode etc.

 

anycrap, they had electric cars, 1 that was built on a lotus chassis and had near the same performance, could go 200 miles, and just be recharged over night for about 3 dollars in power.

 

Thats fine and dandy, but a silent sports car? the noise is half the fun, and the biggest problem, what about when people take roadtrips? you go 200 miles, then you have to stop for 5-8 hours? as oppose to 5 minutes for gas, it won't happen.

 

 

On a side note, does anyone think an xedos9 climate control thing could be put into a US spec millenia, do the fuel calculations, display all the crap thats actually there? or would I keep mine and just need a xedos ECU

[enginph]

The display is the same looking carefully we have the digits there. I couldnt remember if we have the 'select' button on the left of reset and set? Someone told me he found out that it need a xedos ECU..

[///BHRpowered]

I know there is a way to convert some things, but nothing eles works, damn it, I want them to work, there is a ton of shit there

[mts]

You need to change the ECU and the wiring likely...

[ing-schu@online.no]

We have a single cat setup remember.

[mts]

The postwhores visited and had posts removed..... Not a whoring thread

[excluesiveonez]

i still get about 23 mpg with my gs430 if im doing highway driving less than 65. 50-50 driving yeild to about 16-17 mpg

[MazdaMomma]

You need to change the ECU and the wiring likely...

 

 

 

I would agree about the ECU, but the wiring?

 

 

[///BHRpowered]

We only have a single cat, just dual precats (I believe) this might affect how it calculates the mileage, but all the other features should work fine.

[Renboy]

Mileage down about 10%. It happens every year so it's not unexpected.

 

Ethanol is another American band aid solution. Yes it burns *cleaner*, but it has less chemical energy which means lower gas mileage. Given the amount of corn fields needed to run 85% in every car in North America, it will amount to soil erosion and more profits from gas companies. The only upside is it's higher octane rating.

 

I find it unbelieveable that car companies try to push all this crap rather than build better, fuel-efficient cars. With technology that's already in existance any car could be at least 40% more fuel efficient. I would love to find a turbo rotary, with direct injection, an electric power steering pump, a 6-speed, lsd, and an alternator that turns itself off when not needed. Direct injection can be leaned out to 65:1 a/f without any risk of engine damage (at highway cruising), neither an alternator nor p/s pump need to be running all the time (parasitic drag), automatics should just flat out be banned (except for the elderly), and the weight savings compared to an equally powerful ottocycle would be quite the benefit also.

[///BHRpowered]

New regulations are requiring 40% increase in fuel savings, first time its been done since the 70's.

 

The problem is this is going to make cars extremely light and weak, while pushing the cost up maybe 50% or MORE as they have to use far more expensive materials.

 

e85 is one thing ins cars designed to run it, and your car MUST be designed for it, whatI was talking about is people wanting to make it 40-50% blend and make that the requirement so that you can't get anything eles.

 

its bad enough on current new cars, but anything pre 1995 is going ot have a huge problem.

 

I have been reading on ferrarichat that there are several companies emerging to supply so called "true fuel" right now its about 3.50 a gallon, but long story short, they are stock piling crude oil specially sealed to be able to produce there own fuel with there own blend on cleaning agents and stablizers to be sold to car collectors or anyone with a vintage automobile. Suppose to rn extremely clean and free from all the dirt and unneeded crap in pump gas. Not alot of demand right now, but hell if you can't buy gas in 30 years not because were out, but because its no longer sold, I'll have to stock up on alot to power the millenia.

[mts]

GASOLINE BLENDS

 

 

The disruption of oil supplies from the Middle East in the 70's spurred an effort to try to curb the U.S. dependence on foreign petroleum sources. Interest in alternative fuels was also created by the reduction or elimination of lead anti-knock additives in gasoline. The lead was removed because of its incompatibility with the catalytic converter, now standard on almost every car and light truck.

 

Ethanol

Ethanol has attracted the most attention as a blend. It can be fermented from a variety of bases, including grain and sugar cane, much the same way wine is produced from grapes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) allows a 10% ethanol mixture with gasoline and it is being sold as "super unleaded" or "premium unleaded" gasoline, gasohol, or with no specific identification.

 

Methanol

Methanol comes from natural gas, but the technology can produce it from coal, wood and a variety of other materials. Like ethanol, methanol raises the octane of gasoline and reduces engine "knock" or "ping", without affecting the efficiency of the catalytic converter. A 5% blend of methanol may raise the octane rating at the pump by 1–1.5 numbers.

 

Methanol also reduces carbon monoxide exhaust emissions, but the trade-off can be high:

• Methanol has an adverse effect on fuel economy, especially in late model vehicles. A 5% blend of methanol with gasoline has an energy content 2.5% less than gasoline.
• Evaporative emissions rise substantially when methanol is blended with gasoline. In addition, methanol may increase the oxides of nitrogen emissions and affect the capacity of the charcoal in the evaporative emissions canister.
• Methanol causes both hot and cold weather driveabiity problems. Methanol can change the stoichiometric (chemically correct) air/fuel ratio in the fuel delivery system. The higher volatility of the fuel increases the chance of vapor lock in carbureted vehicles and the increased heat of vaporization of methanol increases cold start and stalling problems in winter.
• Methanol, when water is present even in trace (minute) amounts will separate gasoline into 2 layers — gasoline rich on top and *This reference banned by MW* and water on the bottom. The net effect is unsatisfactory vehicle operation. Since the engine draws fuel from the bottom of the tank, it will not run properly, even at idle. Some refiners add heavier *This reference banned by MW*, known as "cosolvents", to counter the separation, but they are not 100% effective.
• Methanol has an effect on the parts of the fuel system and is measured more in time than in mileage. Rubber, plastic and metal fuel system components in most motor vehicles were designed for use with gasoline and are subject to attack by methanol blended fuels. Water tends to cling to methanol, and any water in the fuel tank will be carried through the entire fuel system. Metal components (excluding brass) are subject to water corrosion. Plastic and rubber compounds tend to swell, lose strength and stretch when subjected to high concentrations of methanol.

Several fuel suppliers are successfully marketing blends of methanol and cosolvents with gasoline, but the long-term effects on engines and fuel systems are not known and vehicle manufacturers will not give unqualified sanction to the use of methanol blended fuels. Check your owner's manual to be sure.

 

Reformulated Gasoline

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), through the Clean Air Act, has mandated the use of reformulated gasoline in certain areas of the country from January 1, 1995.

 

Reformulated (RFP), is gasoline that the composition has been changed to reduce vehicle emissions. Reformulated gasoline has lower levels of volatile compounds and benzene. RFP also contains an oxygenate such as ether or ethanol.

 

Any oxygenated fuel will reduce fuel economy, this is true simply because it has less combustible material per gallon. But, because of the reduction of volatile compounds, vehicles which are in poor mechanical condition may alos experience an increased hesitation after start-up. Reformulated gasoline differs from oxygenated fuel in that it is intended for year round use with reduced emissions, whereas oxygenated fuels are designed to reduce carbon monoxide levels during the winter season.

[MazdaMomma]

interesting read MTS.

[///BHRpowered]

damn it, I kind of want another bike, and I have to do a hella fuck load of driving in the next month

[mts]

A bike? In the winter?

[///BHRpowered]

not in the winter, but would be nice during summer, and even in march it would be fine. Normally I drive about 5-600 miles a month, in the next 3 months I'l be doing close to 1800 a month

[mts]

Poor you... fly.

[///BHRpowered]

flying is not an option, this is for a project at work, will have to be delivering aroudn 400lbs of crap to pa 9 times