street3890 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Yesterday I unfortunately drove through a very deep puddle on the highway! Car stalled and will not start! My mech is going to take all the spark plugs out, drain the water from the cylinders, and pray the engine isn't broken!! If it is, what are my options for scrapping or if any of you are interested?!? Please let me know ASAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Yesterday I unfortunately drove through a very deep puddle on the highway! Car stalled and will not start! My mech is going to take all the spark plugs out, drain the water from the cylinders, and pray the engine isn't broken!! If it is, what are my options for scrapping or if any of you are interested?!? Please let me know ASAP Sad. Stock intake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Its done, just got the word!! and No Chi-town's custom intake! What are my options?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 wait wait wait!!!! This is a very vry big issue with anyone who offroads How much water got in? how long did the engine run? was there any knocking or pinging sounds? Often times a mechanic will tell you an engine is toast yet 99.999% of the time on Jeep forums people fix it and drive another 100k. If it IS gone - insurance, full value. Also have a chitown and find it very hard to believe enough water went into the engine to cause damage. First of all you would have to fully submerged it in over a foot of water. The filter is behind the guard for a reason. No way water is going to travel through the filter, up the near vertical tube, through the MAF sensor mess AND make it through the air box on the TB. It's very possible some got in and went into some vacuum lines but thats worst case. Remove battery Remove spark plugs (all) let it just plain sit and dry (or use hair dryer) Spray some oil into the cylinders and manually crank engine over a few times, If the cylinders move you should be good. Check to make sure no pistons are bent and you don't hear metal on metal contact Change oil (just to be safe) Seriously, I do not believe your engine is done. Put it back together after a day or so making sure ZERO water is present. Reinstall battery, fire it up. If you hear noise then stop, if its fine but its fine. Do not let a mechanic fire it up without letting it actually dry first. On the trail people 100% submerge entire engines, if it does actually hydrolock we take out the plugs and let it sit over night. Have yet to see one not refire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Well it was a lot of water...i had no choice but to floor it and pray! The car stalled within seconds...I let it sit over night and it didn't start! Got it towed to my mech....it wouldnt even turn over once...maybe a quarter of a turn! They took out the spark plugs and all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 ...how much flipping water are we talking about? You said a puddle on the highway? you floored it and prayed? why not coast through? this sounds more like a small lake. It still sounds like it can be saved but it needs to totally dry and you have to turn the engine over by hand instead of letting the starter do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 It was a small lake...the highway was closed but then reoped...i had nowhere else to go...it was a lot of water man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankzao Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 I am agreeing with the good lord BHR on this one.....let it sit with no plugs, no oil, leave the drain plug and oil cap off......then reconnect, fill with oil, hand crank, and see what happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 I will try and get that done...im not too knowledgeable when it comes to taking things apart with cars, my buddy knows more...maybe he can help me out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankzao Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Roll it out in the hot sun...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 What sun?!? It's been raining here for the past 4 days!! :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ok seriously, who reopens a highway if its still flooded? too much water? sit on the side of the road and do nothing. There is no where you have to be in such a hurry to ruin a car. At times/river crossings I'v gone into water as deep as 3 feet. Submerging part of engine, full exhaust, many electronics just not full filter. When we had flooding I would drive my Jeep through 12-20" of standing water...a lifted jeep where the filter is seriously about 4 ft from the ground. Mechanics are looking to tell you the engine is toast because they want the labor and parts mark-up of a new engine. Seriously, take your time. There is a guide in the tech section about how to change out the sparkplugs step by step. Just follow that + drain oil. Also when you drain the oil do it in an open pan and look for signs of water in it. If no water at all is in oil you should def be good. To crank over the engine put a large wrench on balancer/crank and turn. (Can use belt changing guide for pics) You'll have to remove front intercooler for fron bank of spark plugs - check for water there as well. Sounds stupid but with battery removed go and have it tested just to be sure its fine Take off the intake as well and confirm no water is inside. Dry the filter if wet. Blow compressed air into cylinders, hell if you can take a cell phone camera with a flash and try to get a picture inside. Take your time and go slow, its more then worth it. If any water is hiding I would bet its in the airbox between chitown intake and TB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 In the name of saving a millenia I'm damn tempted to just drive up there, start a wrenching party and get back on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 I had work and it was right there im goin to pick up the car tomorrow from my mech...come help that'd be great lol i'm prob gonna get my friend to help me out! I'll keep u posted Take off the intercooler :s we might need a wrench party! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Front intercooler is easy to remove, just need some big pillars for clips. Big thing is getting to the spark plugs, oil out and intake off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Ok thanks, my buddy and I are going to get to work on her tomorrow! I'm feeling confident! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Also, where is the spark plug post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Here is drivebelt guide if needed http://www.mazdaworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1150 Here is the plug changing guide http://www.mazdaworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3784 Take your time and go slow, its a learning experience. Just make sure to keep every bolt with what it goes with, take pictures if needed so you can put it all back together. The big thing is making sure there is no water, letting it dry and changing the oil. Front plugs are super easy, basically just remove front intercooler (like 4 bolts in plain view + clamps then pull)and then the coilpacks are right here, rear plugs are the ones that are more of an issue. Start with the intake and front plugs, if you see NO water in any of them thats only a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I believe all my spark plugs are out already...i just got the car back to my house! There was a bag with the plugs and some other pieces in the car...im going to take out the intake when my friend gets here. Yes, all my spark plugs are out already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Well then you got the easy way...but still need guide to get them back in. Intake and don't forget to change oil, spray a hair of oil into cylinders, then crank by hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 There's water in the intake manifold box! We're taking it out as we speak! I gotta get as much water out as i can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 So basically this mechanic is crap. They take the time (and bill you) for removing spark plugs but don't check the intake? I also have the chitown intake and the only place I see water getting and sitting is in that airbox with like 8 tubes coming out before the intake and after the TB. How much water was in there? If I were you I would now pull off the vacuum lines of that box and follow them - disconnect if possible, if nothing else blow compressed air through and hope it all drains into oil. Check TB if possible. Have you been able to see any water in cylinders yet? What about filter itself, wet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Whatever you do don't even think of starting the engine until every bit of water is out and its fully dried...and I strongly say crank over engine by hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street3890 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Yea i know!! He's always been reasonable! We got the manifold off...i put my foot on the throttle so it could open up...some water def got in there...where should i blow the air through? Do you have a process to remove the valve cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 There is a guide to changing the valve covers but its pretty involved. If there is a fair amount, try vacuuming it up with a wet vac, stick papertowels in, anything to get it up and then most of all just let it DRY. I mean until there is nothing. Have you drained oil yet? how much water is in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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