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[Kat_Daddy]

U dont have the expertise for the work. And i dont see many shops on the east coast attempting it for you. Maybe FL, otherwise u would have to got to Cali and let the Vato's do it for you inmyo

[///BHRpowered]

cali, hell fucking no,,fl? why whats there?

 

If everything bolted up I dont see how it can go wrong, you bolt the parts in, which according to mts after looking, everything is there and ready to go, the big thing would be a new hydro line, and finding all the parts, from there cross your nuts and hope a NA ECU recognizes the ecm for the 4ws and it all works

[Troutman]

I certainly don't have pics, but if you have 4WS 626s, MX6s or anything like that, you might find the basic system is the same.

[mts]

We had no 4WS Mazdas over here only the Honda Prelude back in the late 80s

[Frankzao]

Hmm...4WS? cool.

[Troutman]

Interesting, here it was fitted to most 800s, a model of the Ford Telstar (rebadged 626), MX6 and the rear-drive 929.

[///BHRpowered]

The only car I know of in the state with 4WS was a very limited edition GMC truck, and it was only at low speed.

 

I would of course need the parts for an 800....

[Kat_Daddy]

they also have a hd denali truck with it now i believe...

[Graham]

What about Honda (Acura?) Legend? Did you get that in the states?

It also had 4WS like the prelude.

 

G.

[mts]

We had the Acura Legend over here for some time.... but no 4WS

[mohamedeladawy@hotmail.com]

the honda prelude, mitsubishi galant VR-4, DSM Stealth/3000GT, Nissan 300ZX, Mazda 626/MX-6 and most of the GM pickups had 4WS.

[///BHRpowered]

the hell are you talking about, not in the states

[mts]

Nor in Canada

[///BHRpowered]

the honda prelude, mitsubishi galant VR-4, DSM Stealth/3000GT, Nissan 300ZX, Mazda 626/MX-6 and most of the GM pickups had 4WS.

 

Out of that list, not a single one had 4ws in the states, 1 and I mean 1 limited edition gmc truck (silverado?) had it, and it was only for like 3 years.

[mts]

Before your time.... 87-89 Prelude had 4WS available in Canada

[///BHRpowered]

canada isn't the states, and besides, nothing eles on that list EVER had it, especially the mx-6

[mts]

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Gla...e&trimid=-1

 

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Gla...e&trimid=-1

 

 

 

http://autos.msn.com/search/results.aspx?autoq=4WS

 

Nice list.... confirming your erroneous post

 

"4-wheel-steering was introduced to the 626 Turbo in 1988 (to mixed reviews) and was transferred to the MX-6 Turbo a year later. It was not very successful and died after 1990, never to be seen on a Mazda again. Mazda's system was electronic and more complex than the 4WS system introduced by Honda on the 1988 Prelude; these two marked the first 4WS systems for the American market."

 

"Both the 626 GT four- and five-doors were available with an optional hydraulically operated four-wheel steering system. "Below 22 mph," said Motor Trend explaining the system, "Mazda 4WS steers the rear wheels in the direction opposite the front wheels. Maximum rear steering deflection is limited to 5 degrees left or right, [which] shaves the turning circle from 38 to 36 feet. Two feet doesn't sound like a lot, but when you need inches to get into a tight parking slot at the cigar store, you'll appreciate the difference." Above 22 mph, the rear wheels would turn up to 5 degrees either way in phase with the front wheels to improve responsiveness.

 

For 1989 the four-wheel steering system was made available on the MX-6 GT (and taken off the four-door 626s) and that made an already more attractive car even more so according to Motor Trend. "The supplemental steering hardware imparts a measure of added stability in high-speed lane changes and allows the car to track cleanly through tighter corners that would have a front-steer MX-6 scrubbing all four tires," it wrote. "For most people, however, the biggest benefit will come in improved low-speed maneuverability. The 4WS's compact 31.5-foot turning circle is 3.8 feet less than that of its conventional counterpart." But four-wheel steering was an expensive option and it never caught on as Mazda had hoped. A bigger success was the optional (on the GT and Turbo models only) antilock brakes whose safety benefits were obvious and enough to overcome their $1,000 price."

 

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[mts]

 

Four-wheel steering (or all wheel steering) is a system employed by some vehicles to increase vehicle stability while maneuvering at high speed, or to decrease turning radius at low speed.

 

In most active four-wheel steering systems, the rear wheels are steered by a computer and actuators. The rear wheels generally cannot turn as far as the front wheels. Alternatively, several systems, including Delphi's Quadrasteer and the system in Honda's Prelude line, allow for the rear wheels to be steered in the opposite direction as the front wheels during low speeds. This allows the vehicle to turn in a significantly smaller radius — sometimes critical for large trucks or vehicles with trailers.

 

Many modern vehicles offer a form of passive rear steering to counteract normal vehicle tendencies. For example, Subaru used a passive steering system to correct for the rear wheel's tendency to toe-out. On many vehicles, when cornering, the rear wheels tend to steer slightly to the outside of a turn, which can reduce stability. The passive steering system uses the lateral forces generated in a turn (through suspension geometry) and the bushings to correct this tendency and steer the wheels ever-so-slightly to the inside of the corner. This improves the stability of the car, through the turn. This effect is called compliance understeer and it, or its opposite, is present on all suspensions. Typical methods of achieving compliance understeer are to use a Watt's Link on a live rear axle, or the use of toe control bushes on a twist beam suspension. On an IRS it is normally achieved by changing the rates of the rubber bushes in the suspension. Some suspensions will always have compliance oversteer due to geometry, such as Hotchkiss live axles or a semi trailing arm IRS.

 

 

Recent application

In an active 4ws system all four wheels turn at the same time when you steer. There can be controls to switch off the rear steer and options to steer only the rear wheel independent of the front wheels. At slow speeds (e.g. parking) the rear wheels turn opposite of the front wheels, reducing the turning radius by up to twenty-five percent, while at higher speeds both front and rear wheels turn alike (electronically controlled), so that the vehicle may change position with less yaw, enhancing straight-line stability. The "Snaking effect" experienced during motorway drives while towing a caravan is thus largely nullified. Four-wheel steering found its most widespread use in monster trucks, where maneuverability in small arenas is critical, and it is also popular in large farm vehicles and trucks.

 

General Motors offers Delphi's Quadrasteer in their consumer Silverado/Sierra and Suburban/Yukon. However, only 16,500 vehicles have been sold with this system since its introduction in 2002 through 2004. Due to this low demand, GM will not offer the technology on the 2007 update to these vehicles.

 

Previously, Honda had four-wheel steering as an option in their 1988-1994 Prelude, and Mazda also offered four-wheel steering on the 626 and MX6 in 1988. Neither system was very popular, in that whatever improvement they brought to these already excellent-handling vehicles was offset by an unavoidable decrease in sensitivity caused by the increased weight and complexity.

 

Production cars with active four wheel steering

Efini MS-9 (high and low speed)

GMC Sierra (2002) (high and low speed)

Honda Prelude (high and low speed, fully mechanical from 1988 to 1990)

Honda Accord (1991) (high and low speed, mechanical)

Infiniti G35 Sedan (option on Sport models) (2007-Present) (high speed only?)

Infiniti G35 Coupe (option on Sport models) (2006-Present) (high speed only) [1]

Infiniti M35 (option on Sport models) (2006-Present) (high speed only?)

Infiniti M45 (option on Sport models) (2006-Present) (high speed only?)

Infiniti Q45t (1989-1994) (high speed only?)

Mazda 626 (1988) (high and low speed)

Mazda MX-6 (1989-1997) (high and low speed)

Mitsubishi Galant/Sigma (high speed only)

Mitsubishi GTO (also sold as the Mitsubishi 3000GT and the Dodge Stealth) (high speed only)

Nissan Cefiro (A31) (high speed only)

Nissan 240SX/Silvia (option on SE models) (high speed only)

Nissan 300ZX (all Twin-Turbo Z32 models) (high speed only)

Nissan Laurel (later versions) (high speed only)

Nissan Fuga/Infiniti M (high speed only)

Nissan Silvia (option on all S13 models) (high speed only)

Nissan Skyline GTS, GTS-R, GTS-X (1986) (high speed only)

Nissan Skyline GT-R (high speed only)

Toyota Aristo (1997) (high and low speed?)

Toyota Celica (option on 5th and 6th generation, 1990-1995) (high and low speed)

 

 

[Renboy]

canada isn't the states, and besides, nothing eles on that list EVER had it, especially the mx-6

OMG how can you argue this...I thought you were a mazda enthusiast. Not all first gen mx6's were turbo, and not all had 4ws, but there were quite a few that HAD a 2.2 4cylinder with turbo and 4ws. I have seen them, and there's one at the scrapyard by my house. Go on mx6.com and try telling someone...anyone there that the cars never had it.

 

As for changing it to the milly...ha...good luck. Even if you did manage to scavange all the parts needed, and did get them shipped to your house, from the minute they got there until the minute you sold them again they would just be taking up space in your garage. You don't have the knowledge, skill, or balls to try something like that.

[Kat_Daddy]

best bet would be pack all that shit up and ship it to ren and mts and let them hook you up over a few 6 packs. It'll cost you, but youre rich...

[enginph]

4WS is dead. With the sensors getting cheaper and cheaper they use existing brake system and implemented active stability control. It is not as good as 4WS but hell cheaper..

[Frankzao]

let the poor man dream........

[enginph]

i just dont wanna let him try that shit and throw one of his rear wheel on highway..

[///BHRpowered]

umm, who said anything about turbos? I don't give a damn which years or models had that and which didn't

 

Also, since these are factory parts, and according to mts everything is there they would mount to, I see the install being much easier then some other things I'v done, biggest challange is getting the parts, and as mts said, a full donor car would be best

[mts]

Those are turbo 4WS..... read....

 

And yes a full donor would be best.