enginph Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Did anybody hear from Ren recently?? I will bleed the brakes if they dont get hard again I may go with SS lines. BTW I checked the front brake lines. 01-02 has different price! I wonder if they are the same or if goodrich will fit to 01-02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 saint, talk to don, I think he and jdubs had problems with the goodrich lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 saint, talk to don, I think he and jdubs had problems with the goodrich lines Dang. I read bad things about SS lines. They may not survive as long as rubber ones. Now I am less likely to install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwmcqueen Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 What things have you read? I am on the fence about them as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 they should survive longer, I mean brand and quality does play a role but still. SS lines are just rubber lines wrapped in SS so they can't expand under pressure. and the list of things needed keeps going, how the fuck did I manage to blow a headlight fuse in the millenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I suggest you keep the hood shut. That should prevent such incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 The hood was shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 When I bought Goodridge SS lines to my brother the mech in Mazda told us that they are missing some safety feature and didnt wanna install. We didnt install first then he said he can weld a pin which would do the job but still... I think this pin is the thing what fails.... http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Performance/brakelines.htm Reasons To Avoid SS Braided Lines [bDV] Well it happened. Someone in a Buick tried to terminate his wife's life and my NSX. I panic braked, downhill, at 35 mph and managed to stop just before my two year old Comptech stainless brake-line ruptured. The pedal went to the floor. The failure was right where the plastic support is near the caliper, which is supposed to stop these kinds of things from happening. I remember the FAQ discussing this issue, and thinking it would never happen to me. Thank God it wasn't at the end of the back straight at Road Atlanta. For all you our there with stainless lines. Beware. My braiding actually burst. [DH] ...it turns out that my aftermarket steel braided line purchased 3 years ago (can't remember the vendor name, I got the lines from Rod Millen Motorsports) separated at the caliper. The line goes into a screw on the caliper which has a hollow fitting for the hose to go over, and apparently I blew it off the fitting. [FG] [the lines bursting] is the risk that you take with stainless lines. Otherwise, don't you think all manufacturers would have made them standard? Among the BMW and PCA club members I talk to, most shy away from stainless lines unless they are religous about changing the lines every year or two. [NM] I too thought that stainless steel lines / fittings were the important to high performance braking and was considering it too. After talking to Randy M. at RM Racing I was convinced this was not a good idea for a production car. Randy told me he does not recommend these NOR does he use them in the RM Racing NSX. The braking and rumored flex are not affected by the plastic brake lines. He said that one person who had them installed had them come apart right after leaving the installer and was in an accident in their NSX. Maybe this is why Ferrari uses the plastic lines in their production cars too. BTW - I can not recall a single member on this list ever experiencing a problem with the plastic lines failing. A few have suspected (right or wrong) that some perceived braking problems were the result of the plastic lines - but that is another story. I may not have all the details, but I bet if you private Randy you will get the whole scoop. [HPA] My $.02 again (long winded as usual): SS lines are tough to a point and are a special application product (i.e. for racing and usually replaced between races just as tires are replaced regularly throughout a race). The SS braiding not only protects the "rubber" beneath from outside physical damage but also act as a girdle that lessens brake line flex (swelling). On older OE lines with a partner applying the brakes I can see the lines flex, tense and swell slightly. The SS braiding lessens the amount of this flex and you notice it as a firmer pedal feel (fluid type contributes to this as well). They look good, last awhile, then once you get it out of your system you usually wind up going back to OE lines, unless track events are your life and you don't mind this short coming. Remember, this race inspired product was invented to protect brake lines from track debris left by accidents the driver sometime has no choice but to drive through. The firmer pedal and faster piston actuation was a side benefit. The "look" is just that. If you want long lasting (relatively speaking) stick to OEM lines. If you want more protection and performance try synthetic cloth braided lines (if anyone is specifically marketing them for the NSX I don't know; if not, custom made by a fluid fastener maker is an option if you can find someone willing to make them for you). That last comment is an option not a recommendation. If I wanted more protection I'd just place a plastic braided sleeve over the OE lines during a line change. OE brake lines are really good quality for what I've encountered under Honda's and Acura's thus far. If you drive hard and brake hard just inspect your lines regularly and plan on replacing them about every 2-3 years or whenever the fluid is recommended to be flushed and replaced. Might as well get the Speed Bleeder replacement fittings (www.speedbleeder.com) while you're at it and get some Motul or Lockheed fluid. Note: Used to be that rubber composition allowed you to guesstimate the wear of various belts and hoses with warning signs such as fraying, cracking, mushiness or brittleness. New rubber composition still looks good past its recommended change interval. You wouldn't take a chance on missing your timing belt change interval and having the valve service missed either, would you? That's a very expensive chance. No matter how good (or excellent in Honda's/Acura's case) a product is the manufacturer recommendations are there for a reason. Some stretching of guidelines are forgivable by the car while others are not. Common sense should rule that no matter what go-fast improvements are made stopping should always be more important. With the emphasis there proper preventive maintenance is the key. Forums such as this help to fill the knowledge database when experience is unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 interesting post - but those are dirty chinks remember. I have had mine for around 4-5 years now? but there not exposed to weather. How can they burst through, TRUE SS lines should be nothing but oem rubber lines with a metal braid around them, OEM + some, and about 100% of race cars use them. I had the original brake lines on my old jeep at 152k, oem rubber lines and no problems. As for the connector, I know what he's talking about, but thats part of the caliper, unless it was the ring connector itself, in which case your talking about extremely poor quality. I did say that don had problems with the goodrich lines, mine and some other people bought from corksport and have had no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 OEM lines and goodridge lines has a difference around the caliper. SS lines misses a pin. I dont know what exactly it is but they welded a metal piece to goodridge lines before putting them on to xedos. I dont know I think I will not take any risk. Spongy pedal is fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 No idea what this pin is, should just be a ring connector that you screw on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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