ing-schu@online.no Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Didn't we always know, those of us choosing Mazda Here is another proof I suppose there are those finding amusement in the bottom of the list, occupied by Jaguar, Land Rover and of course Jeep Not to mention the socalled premium german brands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 I have owned 3 jeeps, so I do not agree at all with that list, except mazda at the top, as for jag, it has long been plauged by wiring issues...like most british cars, so repairs of course cost more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohamedeladawy@hotmail.com Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 i think jeep is at the lowest due to irresponsible owners taking them and going offroading without modifying the factory specs to sustain such abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 grand cherokee's had 1 major issue in the 99-01 years which is the so called "blend doors" the fix is a new 20 dollar mini motor and oiling some bearings...but its costs about 1100-1300 to fix since you have to take apart the entire dash, and by entire dash I mean everything in the interior to the raw firewall. owners going to jiffy lube is another huge problem, fuckers have no clue what there doing, and have heard many a horror stories on jf and ju about people bitching because they had to replace there transfer case or axles, first off, you don't use regular tranny fluid in the 247 TC, and you should always REFILL the damn axles, god damn jiffy lube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohamedeladawy@hotmail.com Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 wouldnt a jeep have some kinda label saying wat type of tranny fluid to use/differential fluid label. if there is, then its jiffy lube's fault (technically) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Owners go to jiffy lube no matter what vehicle they drive, so don't put the blame on jiffy lube. Use some common sense. It's not like people that buy jeeps are statistically more inclined to get their oil's changed there. Face fact, they're a piece of shit. Too bad none of mazda's current vehicles use a s/c. If they're that reliable, then maybe their s/c's would be too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 wrong, jeeps and trucks in general. and camel, no, it is not stamped or written anywhere on the TC or diff what fluid to use, its in the owners manual, however ALL shops with any common sense should know that differential fluid goes in diffs, and that depending on the car you almost always use a special fluid in the TC. the jeeps for example require a special TC fluid you can only get at the dealers, now all jeep and crysler TC take it so alot of shops will stock it, except jiffylube. and I don't want to hear any of ren's bitching that its just to make more money, its not expensive fluid and everyone that has had something eles put in there TC either from a shop or there own fault winds up having to rebuild the whole thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Chrysler is notorious for using it's own blend when it comes to tranny's, no arguements there. But, I highly doubt that every problem that occured on the list was due to improper lubrication. To be more specific, it would surprise me if any of the problems had anything to do with lubrication as these are problems with new cars, not old/used ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Those wanting to dig deeper into which problems occurs on which brand, will find listings on trannies, suspension, AC, pretty much everything. Just go to Manufacturer index and choose Criteria on the left side. And of course Ren is correct. Jeeps are shit. Just like Land Rovers. And Audis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohamedeladawy@hotmail.com Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 nooooooooooo not audis!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 All of the companies use a mesh of parts from their undeling companies... Chysler often still has Mitsubishi scrap hidden in their vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 At least Audi's are sexy. And because of sharing, their engines are dime a dozen (1.8T & 2.0T). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohamedeladawy@hotmail.com Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 i like audi. however, if im going the german route, ill most likely buy a bmw or a mercedes (as they are basically damage proof. proven...go look at youtube) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 ren, it is a huge problems in jeeps more then other cars. On the diff fluid you can go with pretty much any 75w-90 or 75w-140 if you tow, I myself use mobile 1, however, if you have locking or LSD you MUST use the special chryler FM (Friction modifier) it hasn't been proving that it does excessive damage without, BUT you get a horrible noise. The TC however is extremely sensative for some reason, if the level even drops by 15% you lose the ability to engage the front drivesfart, and any other fluid has repeatly shown to burn up a TC within a few thousand miles. Now I myself do not have any idea what is so special about the fluid, but I'm sure they design there products to only work with it. The only exception to this is the 242 transfer case used in many older jeeps, and known as select trac, in those like on my old 98 you could use regular old atf +3, BUT it was only good for about 30k at the most, and with that TC your in 2wd 95% of the time anyway, when wheeling and using the front drive shaft you have to change it every 10k The 99+ of course select track use a different fluid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 At least Audi's are sexy. And because of sharing, their engines are dime a dozen (1.8T & 2.0T). Ok. they're sexy. Though boring, bad configured and quality really sucks. I'd rather give up driving than being seen in one. But of course, that's me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Xedos, what's so bad about them? Styling aside since that's personal preference, what are the main problem area's? My friend had one and it seemed fine. I upgraded the turbo and suspension on his (so I don't know how long stock would last) but everything else was fine. The only problem he had with his was that his didn't use screws to hold the coilpacks in place, and they would slip and ground, causing all sorts of weird electrical occurances (nothing major though). Once new coils were installed (which were less than half the cost of Mazda coils) everything was fine. BHR, good to know about the Jeep transfer cases (oil) since my friends piece of shit TJ (wrangler) won't go into 4x4 anymore. Maybe he just needs his filled up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted February 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Xedos, what's so bad about them? You mean, part from the maybe crude but objective fact they are crappy shit quality cars? Dig into the link and see for yourself. I will not make a long list of usual faults, just mention front suspension on A4, A6 and VW Passat, if they cope with 30 k miles you're lucky, fragile diesel engines, various tranny trouble, driveaxle boots lasting less than 40 k miles, wheelbearings 30 k miles tops, various electronic and electrical faults, you just about name it. What's left is a shiny appearance and gorgeous interior. Doesn't impress me much. Then you have the not too objective reasons for me not liking them. 1. The configuration with longitudinal engine more or less in front of the headlights makes them boring and heavyfooted to drive, and the overall weight compared to size is not hightech at all. Part from the A8 that is. 2. They like to make an impression of being a top status premium brand, and also is for many. Of course, for the first 2 years of ownership they might be running fine too, if you're lucky. I am no fan of relying to luck. I am however a fan of non-mainstream cars. The Xedos might not be the best car in the world, but for me it is. 3. Here many of the owners are people I would certainly not wish to be compared with or taken as. Many of the morons in traffic ( mainly my age males) showing no mercy and behaving like shit drive Audis. Now I might bend a rule or two in my Xedos too, but never act like a moron towards others. But of course, If I get the opportunity to beat the shit out of a Audi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 many a4's had huge total lemon problems, I myself like audi's for engineering and style, but the interiors have never appealed to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 A6 quattros have a great interior feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I love Audi interiors. To each their own I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohamedeladawy@hotmail.com Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 i know in america...no one complained about the audi. and my friend owned an a6 s-type (awd tt 2.7 v6). the only reason he wants to sell it is that it costs him too much to maintain (brakes pads and all that nonsense) other than that...i like audi. however...for a german car: bmw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted February 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Their petrol sixes in 2,4, 2,7 twinturbo and 2,8 versions are known here for their hideous oil leaks and huge oil consumption. The V filled with oil is not uncommon, under that piece of shit plastic cover. And oil consumption upwards or beyond 2 litres in 1000 km, mind you expensive synthetic is not uncommon. Audi has not had recalls on this issue, which is amazing. They say it is within spec. The reason is probably they have huge tolerances in their engine production. You know, piston versus cylinder diametre, bearing tolerances and such. I other words crappy engines. Being 90 degrees sixes they're wrong configured too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallasaurora Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 If I was ever gonna go Audi which I couldn't see mysef doing by the way, it would have to be the A8. I had a Mercedes ML270 and the electrics must have been put together by a moron cause things kept going, then you'd have to sell your child to repair a switch...ridiculous. But remember, according to the advert...in developing the A6, Audi filed more patents than NASA did for one of it's space rocket thingy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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