///BHRpowered Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 No, guys like me would get the bbs, although I personally don't think bbs has a place on a millenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat_Daddy Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 yeah, most true BBS ive seen are plain. The look-a-likes or copy-cats seem to add a lil style though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 at hte cost of weight and craftmanship.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat_Daddy Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 true as well, but most ppl dont race their cars they so whats the difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 brake distance and overall performance. the braking distance for my safety from retards, and overall performance that they will endlessly complain about brake distance and overall performance. the braking distance for my safety from retards, and overall performance that they will endlessly complain about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Whats got to the with the rim? brake distance. brake distance and overall performance. the braking distance for my safety from retards, and overall performance that they will endlessly complain about brake distance and overall performance. the braking distance for my safety from retards, and overall performance that they will endlessly complain about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinopikachu Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazdaMomma Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 the more weight, the longer it takes to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Come on if its aluminium they should all be very light.. Rim is around 20lbs (10kg), car is 3400lbs (1600kg). My tires are heavier than stock rims.. You guys should better go to gym rather than complaining the rim weight if you wanna brake shorter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazdaMomma Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 You changed your post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 My wireless sucks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazdaMomma Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Nice excuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 couldnt find a better one lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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///BHRpowered Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 first of all, not true at all. jsut because its the same thing doesn't at all mean it weighs the same. there are for example rims, and forged rims, bbs rims are forged from a single billet of high grade laum, making them MUCH MUCH MUCH stronger and lighter, cast they jsut melt old *Reference banned from MW* cans into a mold. different grades, different weights, the design also has a big impact, the more metal they use, the heavier it is. Heavier wheels and tires are whats known as "unsprung" weight, you can't control it through the suspension or otherwise, and it is generally expected that it takes 4x as much force to start or stop unsprung weight then standard. So when you go to ghetto ass 20's that are cast cast steel with heavy ass cheap chrome that weight 30 lbs, you've added 13lbs per wheel x 4 wheels, times 4 208 extra lbs of weight the brakes have to stop, and whats worse, instead of just having a passenger and 208 going to the 4 rotors, its 50lbs extra being put on each one research it, especially from an F1 standpoint, it makes a HUGE different. Infact the stopping distance decrease between stock rims and 22" chromes is greater then the distance gained by a big brake kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Everything you wrote is very reasonable expect the 4x thing. My quick calculation estimates it takes AT MOST %25 more force (to compensate rotation) to stop a 17inch rim.. This assumes all the rim mass is concentrated on the circumference.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I'm still amazed there was the bbs rims though That is because in Europe the people have better taste Put the words in my mouth there sir. Actually I have only seen tan interior in 01-02's in Europe. Always black and grey in the 93-00's to my knowledge. It is quite annoying that Dallas finds himself with two sets of those gorgeous rims while I have none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Those rims aren't hard to find - they used to be very common aftermarket rims here in Aus. Extra weight on the wheel will probably have much more impact than you think - think of all the kinetic energy stored in a flywheel or dynamo - a turning wheel & tyre is exactly the same and just changing it's direction requires energy, yet alone stopping it. G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Indeed. Compare small engined cars like say a Golf 1,6 with different setup on a track, and the one with light/narrow wheels will fly on the straights, while the low profiled will be likely to take back some pace during corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Actually, their top speeds will be very similar, although the one with lighter wheels & tyres will accelerate & brake better. For cornering? One of my first cars was a 1981 1.3L carbied Corolla with 13" Cheviot Hotwire rims and 205/60/13 tyres and I could majorly outhandle a Ford Laser TX3 Turbo AWD through some tight twisty roads. His car had 15" rims and low profile tyres. So low profile tyres does not make a car handle better - sometimes it can make a car handle far worse because there is no compliance left for the tyre to grip the road, instead it becomes like a skateboard wheel. But the real discussion as I see it is about crap heavy wheels versus equally sized good quality wheels that weigh less. End result is that tyre size & therefore grip is the same, but less weight offers many benefits. Cheers, G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 top speed on the heavier wheels will be slightly less, but only slightly, it will however take it longer to get to that speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Many good points here. However a small engined car will need a really loooong straight on a track to obtain top speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 yes, and most likely a lower top speed. I wish I had my own private test track...like a combination of vw's max security track and ferrari's fiorona f1 circuit...yes...excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 I'd be happy with my local twisties, if I had them all by myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 Many good points here. However a small engined car will need a really loooong straight on a track to obtain top speed. Definitely depends on the car. A friend had a 1 litre Daihatsu Charade that was quicker than a 5.7L LS1 engined Holden Commodore (basically GM) Really the engine's dynamic ability and the weight of the car restrict time to top speed. I had a 2L ford that took about 2 minutes on a freeway go from 110kph to top speed of 177kph I had a 1.6L Daihatsu that went from 130kph to top speed in a scarely short space of road, just before a corner. I almost hit redline in 5th gear doing 220kph. The corner was scarey, but I came around it still on the road and facing the right direction the whole time. (FYI, 110kph = 70mph. 177kph = 110mph. 220kph = 138mph) I haven't taken any larger engined cars to top speed, never had one that I could trust enough. G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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