///BHRpowered Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 if I was driving the millenia in the snow I probably would in the snow. I mean it is safer at low speed anyway, if you try to turn you might just keep sliding forward at an angle, atleast fishtailing you can make the turn or worst case is spin in a circle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm harder on my rear pads than probably anyone on this board, and I've never had them fade or even worn them down prematurely. Snow + ebrake = Renboy's rollercoaster I honestly can't count how many times I've pulled the ebrake while driving just in the last week. Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I counted this morning on the way to the gym. 4 times I pulled the ebrake on the way there: 1-first left turn 2-first right turn 3-pulling into gym parking lot 4-pulling into parking space Now seeing as there's only one left and one right turn on the way to the gym, that means I slid around/through every turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Excellent.... I was out for lunch and pulled it 3 more times.... plus did the reverse power turn twice today to get through 180 degrees.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinopikachu Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 for some reason I hardly believe bhr would put his millenia through that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 But he is a wuss.... and will not bring it into the snow... too bad for his milly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinopikachu Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 So would you be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 A 21 year old texan driving in the snow...the highways would be closed for days trying to clean up that mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 today I had to get up a driveway, roughly 100feet, slight curve at bottom and top, a good 30 degree incline. a 626 got 3 feet and was stuck. the jeep went around, through a ditch, and then straight up on packed ice. if I HAD to choose between the millenia and the M I would probably take the millenia, but lets face it people, if I have a jeep, why should I drive the millenia in the snow. no matter how good it may be, you can't tell me its better then a jeep, 4wd, with locking axles and massive snow tires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 The same 4 little patches of rubber stop a jeep as they do a car. The most common person to end up in a ditch after the first annual snowfall is a teenage male, in an suv, that had taken a driving course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankzao Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 NDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinopikachu Posted February 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 A 21 year old texan driving in the snow...the highways would be closed for days trying to clean up that mess. oh you SWEAR. no... i adjust my driving tot eh conditions at hand, you wont find me speeding down the express way in pouring rain. that time that it froze town for like 2 days, i had to drive the millenia over some frozen bridges and icy express ways, while whores in SUVs were sliding around trying to brake, i was proceeding safely down the freeway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 The same 4 little patches of rubber stop a jeep as they do a car. The most common person to end up in a ditch after the first annual snowfall is a teenage male, in an suv, that had taken a driving course. Bahahahahaha SUV inflated confidence gets them every time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I forgot to add to the fact that the same fricition coefficient stopping the car is stopping the jeep, however, the jeep weighs 40% more than the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Indeed... therefore.... SLOW DOWN MORONS... or learn to drive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 you have to take into account tread pattern and design. Not only are the tires on my jeep roughly an EXTRA 2" wide then the millenia's (contact patch) but there thread is 14/32 in an aggrresive snow and a/t pattern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 And therefore larger spaces between the lugs.... which if you calculated the surface contact area... may actually be less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 doubt it, not with the overall width and general size difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 1993 Mx6 tire width, stock 205mm 2000 Jeep tire width, stock 245mm ~20% larger (jeep) 1993 Mx6 curb weight, 2700lbs 2000 Jeep curb weight, 3800lbs ~41% heavier (jeep) Any questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 ren, I'm not running stock tires on either 225/45/17 on the millenia. 265/75/16 (32's) on the jeep, much bigger andI thought we were talking about millenia's. I'v never driven an mx-6 let alone in snow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Okay, if you want to stray from stock, I bet the 255's on Troy's millenia have more traction than the 265's on your jeep. Quit trying to compare apples to oranges. You either compare stock to stock, or modified to modified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 INdeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I'm comparing modified to modified. You guys are trying to say I'm some outsider to the millenia world and have no idea what it can do, keep in mind that the primary reason I bought my first jeep was because of driving the millenia in ice and snow. and frankly, you cannot tell me a 2wd sedan is better in snow and ice then a jeep. face it, the tires on the jeep are bigger and designed for snow, the millenia's tires do extremely well on wet and dry roads, but when it comes to snow are useless, YES it may handle better then other cars that are 2wd, but my tires even come with a warning that they are not to be used in snow. if the tires on my jeep were worse in snow then the millenia's then maybe I should put the s-03's on for offroading and snow. I'm not even going to get into locking axles, all wheel drive, and the fact that its a jeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Accelerating in snow, and braking on ice are two different stories. I agree the Jeep (especially when modified) will make it out of the ditch easier than a milly, but those tires won't prevent it from getting into a ditch. Big, heavy knobby tires aren't good for traction on ice or any smooth surface. If they were F1 would use them. Fact of the matter remains, big and heavy with knobby tires on ice will slide easier and further than lighter car with normal tires. And you don't know how lsd's or locking diffs work, so you're right, you're noteven going to get into locking axles...you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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