adz89 Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Hi again, Today I took my Milly into the Mazda dealership because has been running like crap the last few days, and strangely enough as soon as I am driving it there it starts running fine again (it seriously runs like shit when first started, once heated up it is fine). However, I have an issue. I went to Mazda and was going to book it in to get the codes pulled off of it again, and enquired about servicing costs for the major 200,000km service. The service guy told me that the tappets and timing belt get done at the next service and to get to the tappets they need to remove the supercharger. He told me expect to pay $3,000 - $3,500. Is that right? If so I have no idea what I'm going to do. The service guy got me talking to this woman about trading it on a Mazda 6. Now I'm not sure what to do, I love my Milly, I really do, but $3,000 would seriously compromise my budget (the most I'd like to pay is say $1,200, which is still very very expensive for a major service. My parents got there car done for a major service with timing belt replacement for $580 at the Mitsu dealer. Help people, help I feel really really bad now. I don't want to get rid of Milly Thanks guys, -Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Umm, they shouldn't have to remove the s/c to do anything except replace the supercharger. I'm pretty sure they mean't serpentine belt, which just goes around the pulleys. the 120k mile service should be exactly the same as the regular 60k all fluids, belts, spark plugs, lube and check, runs about 800 or so here, 1000 if you want the tranny flushed which is recommended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 First off you dont need to go to dealer. Have ever changed t-belt? mine is at 170k km and none of the belts have changed (i guess). Mazda t-belt uses the same fibers as in the bullet proof vests and they are virtually unstretchable. Not to mention there is no incidence of a broken t-belt in this forum (correct me if there is). As well as engine being non-interference. So you may not want to rush for a t-belt change. I dont plan to change t-belt before water pump begins leaking.. For $3000 you can change the engine not only the t-belt. Spark plugs are not that bad, you can try yourself. Dont know about tappet but under s/c there is just one thing to replace: engine block. Hi again, Today I took my Milly into the Mazda dealership because has been running like crap the last few days, and strangely enough as soon as I am driving it there it starts running fine again (it seriously runs like shit when first started, once heated up it is fine). However, I have an issue. I went to Mazda and was going to book it in to get the codes pulled off of it again, and enquired about servicing costs for the major 200,000km service. The service guy told me that the tappets and timing belt get done at the next service and to get to the tappets they need to remove the supercharger. He told me expect to pay $3,000 - $3,500. Is that right? If so I have no idea what I'm going to do. The service guy got me talking to this woman about trading it on a Mazda 6. Now I'm not sure what to do, I love my Milly, I really do, but $3,000 would seriously compromise my budget (the most I'd like to pay is say $1,200, which is still very very expensive for a major service. My parents got there car done for a major service with timing belt replacement for $580 at the Mitsu dealer. Help people, help I feel really really bad now. I don't want to get rid of Milly Thanks guys, -Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renboy Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I really doubt the valve shims need changing. As for the major service, don't do anything until something breaks. Find out why your car is running like ass, and fix that, the belts last forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat_Daddy Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 bought the plugs, fluids, gaskets, and filters for $200 @ autozone. if you have a rachet. You can do the work yourself in 2hrs prolly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I disagree with that. The best service is when you do everything and never notice a difference, meaning there was never a problem in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 A fool and his money.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz89 Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Oh god, you have definitely laid my fears to rest. However I took it to another Mazda dealership today and he said the same thing, $3k. I have taken it to another mechanic who said they have never worked on one of these engines before.... so I am feeling a bit better but still not sure what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I do not believe the tappets need changing, but plugs, all fluids, air filter, and maybe the drive and accessory belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 which shouldnt cost more than USD150-200. Air filter, four clips not even bolts.. I do not believe the tappets need changing, but plugs, all fluids, air filter, and maybe the drive and accessory belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 no, more then that, spark plugs alone are about 300 for parts nad labor, and there is alot of labor. and no, you should know that I don't part with a single penny unless I need to. there is a reason its called PREVENTIVE maintance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginph Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I meant parts. Changing something in milly is risky since most of the time the guy (or you) never did the job before and it may come out some hoses or whatever is forgotten. If you know what your doing and guarantee installation will be as good as in japan thats fine. This is not true most of the time. So it is best to keep things in place if they work for an average milly user. There are always exceptions (BHR). no, more then that, spark plugs alone are about 300 for parts nad labor, and there is alot of labor. and no, you should know that I don't part with a single penny unless I need to. there is a reason its called PREVENTIVE maintance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat_Daddy Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 dealer is always the absolute last resort, unless warranty covers it... they once quoted me 700 bucks to fix the auto-tilt steering wheel. bought the motor and put in on in a few minutes myself for 115 i believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 BHR is an engine virgin.... MEH. DIY and get the belts off eBay, plugs at PepBoys or where ever... and if you are running a K&N... clean it. Enjoy the 5 hours or so you will spend getting intimate with Milly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I do all work on my Jeep mts, and you know that. The Millenia and M are different, I do all electronics, but thats about it. I COULD do more if I wanted to, but I don't, its a hassle and its much easier, plus the millenia has its own self defense systems. Its preventive maintance, infact its maintance in general. Waiting for something to go bad is just stupid. Also, on plugs, I had them done early (45k) by plat at a mini mwm. it was 77 dollars for the plugs alone, so again, those numbers are off. Now of course if I can swing that SWEET audi R8 I looked at over the weekend, I wouldn't even know how to change the oil...being a dry sump system and all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz89 Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Hmm, I will look into other servicing places then to get more pricing. At this stage the Milly will stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinopikachu Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 BHR is an engine virgin.... even the Texan ass wrangler changed her own plugs, remember MTS? :clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ing-schu@online.no Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I do all work on my Jeep mts, and you know that. The Millenia and M are different, I do all electronics, but thats about it. I COULD do more if I wanted to, but I don't, its a hassle and its much easier, plus the millenia has its own self defense systems. Its preventive maintance, infact its maintance in general. Waiting for something to go bad is just stupid. Also, on plugs, I had them done early (45k) by plat at a mini mwm. it was 77 dollars for the plugs alone, so again, those numbers are off. Now of course if I can swing that SWEET audi R8 I looked at over the weekend, I wouldn't even know how to change the oil...being a dry sump system and all I run two vehicles with dry sump lubrication, no problems. Drain the oil, change the filter, drainplugs (usually two, yes) back in, refill oil, finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troutman Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 The plugs were changed after 190,000 kms with the ones BHR/Ren recommended, so shouldn't need doing. If doing anything involving spending big bucks, make it an ultra low kms engine or an S/C reco, not servicing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
///BHRpowered Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 they still haven't said what there doing that is incurring this cost though, its clearly not just maintance. I mean are they adjusting the valves of replacing a camshaft or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 I guess I will have to go through my files in the office and scan the receipt for the 100K service to show you how little they do and how much they charge you for this trivial work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troutman Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 The reality can be very sad. It is commonplace in the industry for them to deliberately never even change air filters and the like at dealers, and then when the car starts to run badly they say you need to buy a new car. I once checked the air filter in a friend's '96 Holden Commodore which had been serviced at an upmarket dealer from new at great expense. There was so much crap in the unchanged air filter that just in tapping it on the ground I made a huge mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz89 Posted June 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Ok. Today I found a service place that specialises in Mazdas with a small advert in the phone book. The guy who owns the place has serviced Miller Cycle Engines before. He is going to have a look at it and give me a quote by Friday. Fingers crossed it isn't as much as Mazda It is at 195,650kms, so there is still over 4,000km before the major service is due, so I will have more time to save up some more cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troutman Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Remember to always think long term... each time I took the car to Mazda it was another $1000 or so for next to nothing, whereas if I'd ran the engine into the ground and bought a new one, it would have been a much better value proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz89 Posted June 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 So you mean don't get it serviced, keep using the car as I would anyway, and when it carks it get a replacement engine? A wreckers near me is going to give me a price on a ~60,000km engine. I take it the supercharger would be attached to it, however I do not know if it is. How hard is it to swap an engine over? When swapping an engine over is there any other things you have to replace at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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